Finding Gratitude in 2020

2020 has been one for the books. Very few people have been entirely unaffected by the events in our world over recent months. Notwithstanding, there have been some lessons learned this year, and just like any training, it is important to debrief what we can take away from this year.

This week on the Train Like You Listen podcast, the entire Endurance Learning team calls in for a special Thanksgiving podcast. We all take some time to reflect on how this year has affected us, what we have learned, and find some gratitude in what we have.

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Preparing Teachers to Train with Lisa Spinelli

On the Train Like You Listen podcast last week, we heard from Shermaine Perry-Knights on her journey from teacher to trainer. On this week’s podcast we dig further into this topic by talking to the person who wrote the book on it.

teachers to trainers by lisa spinelli

Lisa Spinelli took some time with us this week to talk to us about what she learned while writing her book, Teachers To Trainers. We take some time to dig into why teachers tend to move into training, how to build your skillset if you are a teacher looking to move into training, and what challenges to expect for professionals thinking about this move.

You should also check out the Teaching to Training group Lisa moderates on LinkedIn.

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The Journey from Teaching to Training

Many of us found ourselves as trainers after a career that started in a different space. I started my career in technology, and gradually became a content expert. Eventually, I found my way to training, passionate about eLearning primarily based on my technology background. In fact, everyone at Endurance Learning came from a background that was not strictly training at one point in their career. It is endlessly fascinating to me to hear stories of how people become learning and development professionals. I have maybe met two people who started as and have always been in training.

On this week’s podcast, we talk to Shermaine Perry-Knights, author and Chief Learning Officer at Innovation Consultants of DeKalb, about her learning and development journey. Like many L&D professionals, Shermaine started as a K-12 teacher. She gives us some insight on why she made this move, and how she takes the lessons she learned teaching 7th grade Social Studies and applies it to her adult learners.

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Podcasts in Training

As learning and development professionals, we are always looking for new ways to deliver content to our learners. One approach to this challenge is to consider how you like to have content delivered.

Podcasts are a great way to have content delivered. Many of us listen to daily news podcasts, enjoy stories or sports entertainment via podcasts, and even learn more about our own industry or other new and interesting things from our favorite podcasting service.

This week, Betty Dannewitz from If You Ask Betty joins us on our very own Train Like You Listen podcast to talk about how you can incorporate podcasts into your next training program.

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Are Online Conferences Worthwhile?

Last week I attended the Adobe MAX conference. I have wanted to attend this conference for years, but it is fairly expensive as conferences go. I am not a true graphic designer, so I have never been able to justify the cost. This year, Adobe offered this conference, free of charge, to anyone, anywhere in the world! The caveat obviously being that it was delivered 100% online. While I had some reservations about this format, I am elated to say that I got a lot out of this conference. Let’s take a look at what Adobe did right to make this online conference successful.

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The Monsters We Don’t See


It is Halloween week! While this year’s Halloween will look different than previous years, one of the ways we can always connect is with stories. Sure, the medium may differ depending on the times, and we may not be gathered around a room, but podcasts and blogs are a great way to share spooky stories to keep us up after we binge on candy and prepare to watch scary movies in the comfort of our own homes. This year’s story is about monsters you may not be able to see on your own.

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We face these monsters every day as training professionals. They cannot be tackled the same ways the stories of our past have taught us to tame mysterious beasts. They lurk right in front of us; on our computer screen, on our social media accounts, in our books. Staying home cannot protect us from these monsters! This week on the Train Like You Listen podcast, Mad Scientist Clark Quinn, Ph. D, Executive Director at Quinnovation, joins us to spot and fight the monsters that plague so many in our industry.

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Learning Campaigns (podcast)

What is it like to be on the other side of the training? In other words, do your participants have a working world that lives beyond attending your training? In all of my experiences, the answer to that question is a resounding yes. In fact, often I have to account for not only meeting the training objectives, but also making sure there are several ways for the learned to access information and find various was to prompt them to engage with those tools, events,  and resources.  

The more we can access our learners, the more likely we are to be successful in our training outcomes. This week on the Train Like you Listen podcast, Amy Lou Abernethy, President, Co-Founder and Chief Learning Strategist at Amp Creative, stops by to talk to us about how we can use learning campaigns to increase learner engagement and promote a learning culture.

Resources for an eLearning Department of One

What is the size of your training department? The biggest team I have ever worked in has been ten people. I was at a worldwide non-profit and we served thousands of employees and board members. Even still, that was considered a rather large training department. As I ramped up in the training world, attending conferences and integrating myself into the network of learning and development professionals, I quickly met people who not only had much smaller groups, but often their teams were comprised of merely one or two people.

As trainers, we often talk about wearing more that one hat at work. But how do you know how to navigate all of the challenges that you face when you don’t have a big team? Emily Wood, author of ELearning Department of One, joins us on the Train Like You Listen podcast this week to share some resources and tips for small eLearning departments.

Transcript of the Conversation with Emily Wood

Brian Washburn: Welcome, everyone, to the Train Like You Listen podcast, a weekly podcast about learning and development topics in bite-sized chunks. I’m Brian Washburn. I am the co-founder and CEO of a company called Endurance Learning. And today, I am joined by Emily Wood, who is the Education Content Development Manager for the Propane Education and Research Council. She’s also an ATD certificate program instructor. And she has recently written a book called “E-Learning Department of One”. Emily, I’m so excited to have you with us. Thank you for joining us.

Emily Wood:  Thanks for having me, Brian.

6-Word Introduction

Brian Washburn: We like to have our guests introduce themselves using a six-word biography. And so when we think of this idea and this topic today, which revolves around being a department of one, and I think of my own life experience in the world of training and development, I think my biography would be “I thrive bouncing ideas off others”. How about you? If you could sum up your experience in six words with our topic, what would it be?

Emily Wood: Obviously, I’ve been a department of one for a while now in a couple of different companies. So mine would probably be “quality work can be built alone”.

What Does It Mean To Be an E-Learning Department of One?

Brian Washburn: So I’ve always worked on small teams, but I’ve never been a department of one. You’ve written a book called “E-Learning Department of One”. Can you tell us a little bit more about what an e-learning department of one can mean?

Emily Wood: Sure. Actually, it varies a lot based on the organization that you’re in. When I was writing the book, I was the instructional designer, e-learning developer, and LMS administrator for my company. I did everything from interviewing my SME to writing the contracts for getting our LMS to the training manuals on all the new software that we purchased.

And I loved it. The variety is really what inspires me. I like to have lots of different little things to do. Now with COVID, I think more and more people are finding themselves in the position of creating online training.

So you might be an e-learning department of one because you want to share your passion with people in the only way that you can safely do that now, which is online. 

The Many Faces of E-Learning

Emily Wood: E-learning can be so much more than an asynchronous module that you’re going to create using an authoring tool. It could be in virtual instructor-led training or even something like this podcast.

As people are more distributed and the costs are decreasing on the software that we can use to do this, more of us are finding ourselves in a position of creating e-learning and really doing it on our own because we are so distributed. So it’s a really empowering world.

Brian Washburn: Yeah. And it’s interesting. I was having this conversation the other day with somebody who is a graphic designer. And she was looking to talk to somebody in the field of learning development. She’s thinking of making a career push or a career switch.

And she was asking, so what is an instructional designer? And it’s really interesting. We use these terms, instruction designer, e-learning developer, and they can mean so many different things to so many different people. And you wear so many hats.

And e-learning can be more than just asynchronous modules. It can be a multi-week course that’s actually still instructor-led. It can be something just digital, like a podcast, or microlearning, or things like that.

Job Titles in the Learning Field

Brian Washburn: So for somebody who is developing e-learning or just working on their own in the world of learning development, how do you think that person can self-assess their own strengths and weaknesses? It’s nice to have other people who have a background, who can actually give you feedback. But when you’re a department of one, how do you do a self-assessment of your strengths and weaknesses?

Emily Wood: Well, first, I want to talk a little bit about that title idea that you brought up because about five years ago, I remember there was this big trend where people were starting to get into user experience design. And instructional designers or departments of one, like me, made this decision whether or not we were going to call ourselves learning experience designers.

And so I actually– my LinkedIn, I call myself a learning experience designer because I think it’s about the whole ecosystem of things that a person can use to learn. So when Dr. Clark is talking about e-learning, she says it’s anything that’s using technology to supplement the learning experience. And so the performance support that we’re creating, the YouTube videos that we’re making, the podcasts, everything that we can do that’s supported by technology, is really part of what it is that we’re doing.

I also saw somebody post recently about how they got called into a meeting with the CLO of their company and told to make some badges. And they thought they were being called in because they’re an instructional designer. And, of course, we have thoughts about how badging programs should work and certificate programs.

And the CLO of this company didn’t realize that an instructional designer doesn’t mean graphic designer. And I thought, wow, I mean, titles– I don’t want to be in a box. I feel a lot of us are in a renaissance person kind of position where we have to know a little bit about a lot of things. But I like to deepen the tea in the one area that is my focus.

For me, I really enjoy the learning theory and the psychological theory behind what people are doing. But I know a little bit about graphic design and a little bit about LMS and administration. And if it really comes down to it, I can code, but you don’t want to see it.

Brian Washburn: Yeah. It’s so fascinating. So the words we use, the title– especially the titles we use because we’re kind of a specialized world. If we go to a cocktail party and someone asks me, what do you do? I don’t say, oh, I’m an instructional designer or a learning experience designer.

I’ll say, I design training programs or I design learning– I don’t even say I’m a trainer because then people think that I should be more buff than I am. They think gym trainer. [LAUGHTER]

So I don’t even use a title. I’ll just explain a little bit about what I do. And then if they’re like, oh, tell me more. Then I’ll get into it more, and I’ll get really nerdy. If their eyes start to glaze over, then we’ll move on to other topics. It is. It’s one of those things where the words sometimes mean different things to different people.

Sometimes they don’t mean anything to people and that can get us into a whole other podcast topic. 

Working Alone in the Learning Field

Brian Washburn: But getting back to this idea of, for people that don’t have other colleagues who are training with them or developing training, how do you think– or what advice do you have? Or is there a tool that they could use to do some self-assessment?

Emily Wood:  And I think because we’re trending as an industry in this way that we’re getting more and more diverse in the content that we’re covering, the Association for Talent Development thought that they would come up with a way to be able to help us address this. And last year, they redid the certification programs that they have. And they move them to a capabilities-based program so that you can go in and on their site, they have a series of questions that you can go in and answer.

And then based on that, you can work with their professional development team. And they put you into these sort of career ladders to help you find it. So you can go in and say, “I want to be an instructional designer”. And it gives you some of the learning theory, and how to do a storyboard, and how to do some of those types of skills.

Or you can say, “I want to be an e-learning developer”. And then you get into the hard skills, like, “here’s how you use the authoring tools. And here’s how you do the coding.” For me, a lot of that came up in this way of, I have to make an e-learning module.

And I went to graduate school. And they taught me how to use Captivate. But then I needed to add voiceover. So then I had to learn how it was to do a recording studio. And it was one of those things that I learned it by doing it and then YouTube and all of the different ways that we come at it.

I don’t know that there’s any really formal way that you can assess yourself. I think really the way to do that is to ask other people. 

The Importance of Feeback and Networking

Emily Wood:  And the great thing about our industry is that in our hearts, we all want to support each other. We all want to help each other.

So I have never been in a situation where I would ask somebody to look at a module that I was creating for feedback and not gotten pages of feedback. We are not the people that are like, “oh, yeah, that’s fine”. Everybody wants to help you make something better.

So I think it’s really all about networking, finding those people whose skills that you appreciate, and following them. Like you, so many people are doing blogs, and podcasts, and posting up all the different things that they’re doing. And if you reach out to them and ask them, a lot of times they will give you feedback at a certain level.

Brian Washburn: Yeah. I think that that is a really neat thing about being able to plug into the world of learning and development using Twitter, using LinkedIn. You are an e-learning department of one. I’ve worked just in small teams. I’ve never had a supervisor with a training background.

And so I’ve found that personal learning network that I can find through connecting with L&D, just folks who are in L&D as well as thought leaders on Twitter or LinkedIn to be really, really helpful. Now do you have some go-to resources, or websites, or tools that make your job as a department of one a little easier?

Go-To Resources for a E-Learning Department of One

Emily Wood: So I use a series of different things. For my networking, I’m pretty into LinkedIn. I think a lot of the people that I talked to were on there. I know there’s a really big community that people are active in in Twitter. But I don’t keep up with that as much.

If I’m looking for something that’s specifically related to training development and unique to trainers, the Learn Train is a website that came out I think last year, and I’ve been pretty active on it, where you can talk about really training specific types of things. And then for my tools, I use the Captivate community for the tool that I use primarily.

But I like the Articulate community for inspiration for new projects because they have weekly challenges. And you can see where people are going in the industry and have all of these different ways to come at solving a problem that you have in your own development.

Brian Washburn: I love Articulate community in particular. I’ve had a chance to meet and speak with David Anderson and some of the other folks that have really made that community what it is. And I love your point.

Whether you’re using Storyline, or Captivate, or any other tool, you can still go to some of these communities that, perhaps, aren’t necessarily the same tool that you’re using, but you can go there and get some inspiration and see what other people are doing because good design transcends your tool.

You don’t need to be using an Articulate tool to develop something that’s really effective in e-learning. So I think that’s a great little piece and nugget that, perhaps, we’ll end on for this particular conversation around a department of one. 

Get to Know Emily Wood

Brian Washburn: But before we go, do you have a few extra minutes where you could give us a little bit more time so that we can ask you some speed round questions?

Emily Wood: Absolutely. Sure.

Brian Washburn: Excellent. You were telling me today, you just finished delivery in a session for an ATD certificate program. What is your pre-training or pre-session go-to food?

Emily Wood: RXBARs. [LAUGHTER]

I find that if you carry raw eggs, people think you’re insane. But they don’t question you as much with our RXBARs. [LAUGHTER]

Brian Washburn: That is true. What’s a piece of training tech that you can’t live without?

Emily Wood: I mean, can I say YouTube? Having access to the internet and all the great things that people are posting, that would probably be the one that’s my immediate search.

Brian Washburn: Yeah, absolutely. Being able to get more than just a narrative description on a website, but really seeing a video that can get you to what you need to do. I think it’s really helpful. How about a book or a podcast that learning folks should be paying attention to?

Emily Wood: Well, on my nightstand, all the time, is “Map It” by Cathy Moore and “Design for How People Learn” by Julie Dirksen. So when I need my inspiration, those are the two I pick up. And then the newest thing I just got, but I haven’t started it yet, is “Design Thinking for Training and Development and Creating Learning Journeys That Get Results” by Sharon Boller and Laura Fletcher.

Brian Washburn: Nice. And do you have any shameless plugs before we go?

Emily Wood: Can I plug myself?

Brian Washburn: Of course.

Emily Wood:  That’s got to be “E-Learning Department of One”. Paul Wilson, if you need support on using Captivate, is an absolutely wonderful and spectacular support person. In October, I’m going to be speaking in the Learning Impact series for a LearnUpon. And I am going to be speaking at DevLearn on Captivate.

Brian Washburn: If people are going to catch LearnUpon or DevLearn, please do check out Emily. Thank you so much, Emily, for giving us some time today and talking a little bit more about this concept of e-learning department of one. And for everybody who’s listened, thank you so much for catching yet another episode.

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Troubleshooting for Trainers

Do you walk into every training development project knowing exactly what needs to happen to make it a success? If you are like me, probably not. As a junior trainer, a lot of my lessons were learned from failure and feedback. While those are wonderful ways to learn, it isn’t always ideal to put yourself or your team at risk for failure if it can be avoided. Is there a way to be proactive about troubleshooting your next training event?

Sophie Oberstein, author, coach, adjunct professor, and L&OD consultant, joins us on the Train Like You Listen podcast this week to discuss how you can find solutions to training problems.

Make sure to check out her book, Troubleshooting for Trainers, which is available October 6, 2020.

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Can Curiosity Be Taught?

Like many other parents right now, I have children at home who are learning online. While our school is doing a good job with this new approach to early childhood education, screen -time limits and other obvious factors have me playing the role of a part-time teacher to fourth and second grader. While my forte has always been training adults, I am noticing a lot of overlap in our young learners and adult learners.

One of these overlaps is curiosity.  Facilitating and training people, young or adult, to be curious is important, but is it really an outcome that can be trained and measured? On this week’s podcast, we talk to Bethany Kline from about her approach to training learners how to be curious and how she applies her methods to scale innovation across an organization.

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